Outrage as PCEA Church Bans Kikuyu Traditional Practice "Mburi Cia Kiama"

The church is a John come lately. It has no power over the culture. It has only power over saving of the souls. The Gikuyu and their culture were already there before the white man brought his church to Africa. This is an attempt to place the white man's church as superior to the African cultures and should be rejected. The Church should come out and explain the difference between Muratina and white man's bear. This is unfounded attack on the culture so as to promote their products in self interest. Destroy other people's cultures so as to promote their own. Why not let both cultures compete in a free market and see which one prevails. This attack should be rejected. I thought churches are supposed to accept everyone as they are because we are created in God's image. When did the church become the guardian of a people's culture? This is not new. This is the same way they attacked our languages, only to discover that the white man's language is not superior to ours. Our languages were disparaged in self interest, to make the white man's language superior to ours. This condemnation by the church should be rejected and those preaching such should also be rejected by the community. If they are people of God, let them stick to their book. Let the church itself not pretend to be holier than thou. If it attacks the community, it should be attacked on its ethics and it's practice's.

Who are they to me?Mimi MuGikuyu Karing'a and do not regret.

What is the difference between the Mburi cia ciama ceremony observed by the Kikuyus, and the “holy” communion/drinking of wine ceremony observed by Christians. Both are ceremonies. Who gets to decide which of the two is unethical.

All Gikuyu's should quit the church. And those who don't quit should not tithe. Upuzi wa Kanisa.

@Anonymous UI:

A foreign church has no business telling Africans how to lead their lives. Islam and Christianity are currently the greatest enemies of the Africa. These two alien religions impose their cultural norms among the unsuspecting Africans. They should be banned.

An African who is a Muslim or christian is mentally dead. These two religions are responsible for the decadence that we see in our cultures today. They don't even respect our traditional names. It is not unusual to find a lost African with a name like Paul, Fred, or Fatuma.

These two religions promote crime by arguing that, you can repent after committing crimes against humanity throughout your entire life and then you will be forgiven and then go to heaven!

Only a fool can forego their own culture to follow a white mans culture and bible. Ngai, can't believe this is even a topic in this century. Total nonesense!!! Kikuyu men wamepotea kwa pombe and this ceremony seeks to help them be better men. What could be better than this in any given community? Don't fathers and sons in the West go hunting and fishing together without sanctions? What is wrong about men gathering, drinking muratina, be advised on ways of life? Some of these churches should be outlawed in the country cause they infringe on our own culture, who we are as a people!!! China was right to say NO to this nonesense.

It’s very sad the way Africans blacks we continue to b brainwashed to follow what is white yaani Wazungu way.Before they brot this church around 1897 we had our God ngai witu wakirinyaga we sacrificed goat thenge in the mugumo tree n God mwene nyaga will hear us listen to us n bring eg rain n great harvest n will also wipe diseases from our land but the day we allowed uthungu in us n dropped our culture that the day we went kuku(foolish).I hope the members ya wazee Wa Mburi can use kamemetv/radio/inooro tv/radio/njata tv to tell pure gikuyu to boycott PCEA churches until they give the apologies.

Tangazeni msimamo. You cannot be a Christian at the same time praying facing mt. Kenya. The 2 do not mix. The Hyena pasukadi when it got into a junction and decided to kutembea njia zote. Kudos PCEA

How Kikuyu are these 'Kikuyu'? 99.9.percent of those claiming to be 'Kikuyu' today do not have a clue as to what 'Kikuyuism' really entails. Hardly any of these 'Kikuyu' you come across these days can comfortably complete a sentence in Kikuyu,despite the loud proclamations. I am neither an expert nor do I claim a greater knowledge of 'Kikuyuism' a quick perusal of Kenyatta's FACING MOUNT KENYA, and Louise Leakey's 'SOUTHERN KIKUYU BEFORE 1903'might help in understanding how much we have lost our 'Kikuyuism'. I have copies of the original volumes for anyone interested.

How Kikuyu are these 'Kikuyu'? 99.9.percent of those claiming to be 'Kikuyu' today do not have a clue as to what 'Kikuyuism' really entails. Hardly any of these 'Kikuyu' you come across these days can comfortably complete a sentence in Kikuyu,despite the loud proclamations. I am neither an expert nor do I claim a greater knowledge of 'Kikuyuism' a quick perusal of Kenyatta's FACING MOUNT KENYA, and Louise Leakey's 'SOUTHERN KIKUYU BEFORE 1903'might help in understanding how much we have lost our 'Kikuyuism'. I have copies of the original volumes for anyone interested.

The church is white man's business that takes place once a week on Sundays. Gikuyu culture is part and parcel of every Gikuyu's everyday life. It is not something that is attended to on a single day, it is in every aspect of our life. Culture cannot be separated from who we are. The churches should relocate to where culture fits their standards and ethics and where they have power to condemn and make judgement. Judgement is left to God not man.

I am trying to learn as much about our culture and traditions as possible. Do you by any chance have PDF copies of these books?

Who is on the Lord's side?
Good PCEA
Thank you for your stand.
Our children and community are being made drunkards in the name of dowry.
Stand firm and save us.
What you may advocate to Christians is as they take care of church so should the Christians take care of their PARENTS.

Am perplexed by the edict of PCEA leadership on "Mbûri cia Kîama" a harmless cultural practice. I've been into countless such ceremonies and participants are implored to be moral and ethical....respect your neighbor and his property...conduct yourself with respect, work hard, drink in moderation, take good care of your family, be honest etc.
Why would PCEA find this offending?
My take.... PCEA is angry that elders are beginning to assert themselves and playing their role in society. e.g. PCEA used to mint millions by organizing boys circumcision events. Kikuyu Elders are now doing it denying PCEA the easy money

Ain't no way we are giving up on mburi cia kiama. If you dont feel nyumba ya mumbi, umagara!
We were brought up with the culture, never saw or heard of FGM in the festival so stop the bs!